[SPAM Warning!]Re: [bootstrappable] GNU Mes' Full Source Bootstrap fixes "Trusting Trust -- No one can fix this"?

[Martin]

Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> Thanks...and hmm, isn't that weird?  And what she says also puzzles me:
> 
>      18:46 So, another technique that you could try to use instead is
>      kind of handwriting your own teeny compiler and then using that as a
>      bootstrap to generate larger and larger compilers until you have a
>      final compiler with a pure lineage that has been written entirely by
>      yourself that you know you can trust.
> 
> This ("that you could try") doesn't sound to me as if Lauriewired is
> actually aware that the Mes Full Source bootstrap is not just a
> theoretical possibility, or a pretty good hack/workaround like DDC, but
> a viable, actively developed, in-production solution to this terribly
> important problem ("original sin!") "that no one can fix"?

Mes Full Source bootstrap is a great achievement and I agree it should 
be explicitly mentioned there, but the issue of the "original sin" is a 
bit bigger in my opinion. My interpretation of "handwriting your own 
teeny compiler" is to create some kind of dedicated hardware / stack 
machines like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_RTX_2000 that could 
first program the x86 coreboot, RISCV sbi/uboot, ARM bootROM/uboot, etc 
so that the live-bootstrap could be "safely" kick off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ
> There are > 3K comments and none of the top few hundred "got this".
> Rather, the recurring remark seem to be something like: This is terrible
> and someone should fix this/we should start computing anew from the
> start/computing is cursed, let's give up.

Imagine a hypothetical post-apocalyptic scenario where all binary 
software is gone (including low-level firmware) so how can we bootstrap 
the world having all the electronics and docs/source-code in the paper 
format? I don't think we have an answer for that and for sure not the 
optimal one, so the situation is indeed quite terrible and seems to be 
cursed by design, but instead of giving up lets try to challenge and fix 
it properly.
https://libresilicon.com/ , https://libre-soc.org/ ...

Cheers!
Martin