<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Ximin Luo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:infinity0@debian.org" target="_blank">infinity0@debian.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Justin, could you add me to the repo? My github username is infinity0.<br>
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As a note for others, on Debian you need to install the "texlive-science" package for "make" to work.<br>
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I'm not sure about this part:<br>
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> [..] We propose a more precise goal, specifi-<br>
> cally dictating *where* reproducible build bugs should be fixed<br>
> rather than just focusing on the goal of making builds re-<br>
> producible. [..]<br>
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This is nice as an ideal goal, but I didn't think we're ready for it yet. I don't see this expanded in the rest of the paper though. Did you have some more concrete ideas towards it?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't really have concrete ideas, but the paper really needs to be about *something*. I thought that it was interesting to claim it is bad to either change the build environment (i.e., running in a VM / container) or doing some post processing steps. We could argue for changing the source code of the build systems, which seems the much harder way to solve the problem.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Regarding SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, it should be noted that it's somewhat of a "compromise" solution. The general motivation is described here:<br>
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<a href="https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/StandardEnvironmentVariables" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/<wbr>ReproducibleBuilds/<wbr>StandardEnvironmentVariables</a><br>
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You should probably also mention buildinfo files, and how they differ from things like Dockerfiles which I briefly touched upon in the other thread, "Regarding Zero Install manifests". The general motivation is described here:<br>
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<a href="https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/BuildinfoFiles" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/<wbr>ReproducibleBuilds/<wbr>BuildinfoFiles</a><br>
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and in slightly-more precise theoretical terms here:<br>
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<a href="https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/reproducible/buildinfo-spec.git/tree/notes/buildinfo.rst" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://anonscm.debian.org/<wbr>cgit/reproducible/buildinfo-<wbr>spec.git/tree/notes/buildinfo.<wbr>rst</a><br>
<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>These sound like great things to add / correct. Do you want to take a stab at the text? I could do so also, but it will be a few days...</div><div><br></div><div>(If you do edit, feel free to just push your changes to master when you are done.)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Justin</div></div></div></div>