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Holger Levsen pushed to branch master at <a href="https://salsa.debian.org/reproducible-builds/reproducible-website">Reproducible Builds / reproducible-website</a>
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<span> by Holger Levsen </span> <i> at 2022-12-14T21:06:46+01:00 </i>
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<td class="line_content old" style="padding: inherit;" bgcolor="#fbe9eb"><pre style='display: block; font-size: 0.8125rem; color: #303030; position: relative; font-family: "Menlo", "DejaVu Sans Mono", "Liberation Mono", "Consolas", "Ubuntu Mono", "Courier New", "andale mono", "lucida console", monospace; word-break: break-all; word-wrap: break-word; background-color: inherit; border-radius: 2px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border: inherit solid #dbdbdb;'>-<span id="LC121" class="line" lang="markdown">on the software supply chain (<span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">Sonatype found <span class="idiff left deletion" style="background-color: #fac5cd;">a 650</span>% increase <span class="idiff deletion" style="background-color: #fac5cd;">in one </span>year</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://www.sonatype.com/<span class="idiff deletion" style="background-color: #fac5cd;">resources/</span>state-of-the-software-supply-chain<span class="idiff right deletion" style="background-color: #fac5cd;">-2021</span></span><span class="p">)</span>).</span>
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