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Chris Lamb pushed to branch master
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<span>by Chris Lamb</span>
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<pre class="commit-message" style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0;">Misc updates.
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<td class="line_content" style="padding-left: 0.5em; padding-right: 0.5em;"><pre style="margin: 0;"> <span id="LC15" class="line" lang="markdown">We started this series by <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">featuring the Civil Infrastructure Platform</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">{{</span> <span class="nn" style="color: #555;">"/news/2020/10/21/supporter-spotlight-cip-project/"</span> | relative_url }}) project and followed this up with a <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">post about the Ford Foundation</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">{{</span> <span class="nn" style="color: #555;">"/news/2021/04/06/supporter-spotlight-ford-foundation/"</span> | relative_url }}) as well as a <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">recent one about ARDC</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">{{</span> <span class="nn" style="color: #555;">"/news/2022/04/14/supporter-spotlight-ardc/"</span> | relative_url }}) and with the <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">Google Open Source Security Team (GOSST)</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://security.googleblog.com/</span><span class="p">)</span>. Today, however, we will be talking with <span class="gs" style="font-weight: 600;">**Jan Nieuwenhuizen**</span> on <span class="gs" style="font-weight: 600;">**Bootstrappable Builds, GNU Mes and GNU Guix**</span>.</span>
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<td class="line_content old" style="padding-left: 0.5em; padding-right: 0.5em;" bgcolor="#fbe9eb"><pre style="margin: 0;">-<span id="LC103" class="line" lang="markdown"><span class="p">*</span> The <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">GNU Mes homepage</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://gnu.org/s/mes</span><span class="p">)</span></span>
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<td class="line_content" style="padding-left: 0.5em; padding-right: 0.5em;"><pre style="margin: 0;"> <span id="LC107" class="line" lang="markdown"><span class="p">*</span> Our latest talk on GNU Mes from <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">FOSDEM '21</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/</span><span class="p">)</span> is <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">available online</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/gnumes</span><span class="p">)</span>.</span>
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<td class="line_content" style="padding-left: 0.5em; padding-right: 0.5em;"><pre style="margin: 0;"> <span id="LC108" class="line" lang="markdown"><span class="p">*</span> The <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">GNU Guix</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://guix.gnu.org</span><span class="p">)</span> homepage and various <span class="p">[</span><span class="nv" style="color: #008080;">blog posts about reproducible builds and bootstrapping in GNU Guix</span><span class="p">](</span><span class="sx" style="color: #d14;">https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/tags/bootstrapping</span><span class="p">)</span>.</span>
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