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Holger Levsen pushed to branch master
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<span>by Holger Levsen</span>
<i>at 2019-08-02T02:55:24Z</i>
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<pre class="commit-message" style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0;">2019-08-04-Linuxdev-BR: reworking, add jelle's display
Signed-off-by: Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>
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<span>by Holger Levsen</span>
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<pre class="commit-message" style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0;">2019-08-04-Linuxdev-BR: more polishing, include *the* graph
Signed-off-by: Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>
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<pre style="margin: 0;"> <span id="LC161" class="line" lang="plaintext">#+ATTR_BEAMER: :overlay <+-></span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">-<span id="LC162" class="line" lang="plaintext">- <span class="idiff left right">a</span> list mail in 1997, very few more in 2001 and 2003.</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">+<span id="LC162" class="line" lang="plaintext">- <span class="idiff left right">A</span> list mail in 1997, very few more in 2001 and 2003.</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">-<span id="LC169" class="line" lang="plaintext">- then in 2013 Debian started to investigate this</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">-<span id="LC170" class="line" lang="plaintext">- and kicked it off in 2014.</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">-<span id="LC171" class="line" lang="plaintext">- then CII came in in 2015.</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">-<span id="LC172" class="line" lang="plaintext">- since 2017 in Debian Policy, as a "should" directive, not "must".</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">+<span id="LC169" class="line" lang="plaintext">- Historically software was reproducible! Every bit counted.</span>
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<pre style="margin: 0;">+<span id="LC171" class="line" lang="plaintext">- Bit for bit reproducible GNU toolchain in the early 90s on 10(?) architectures.</span>
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